286. Why the new puppy does not eliminate in same toilet area as the adult dog?
Toilet Training Your First Puppy in Singapore
E-MAIL TO DR SING. Sunday, April 9, 2006.
--- <...l@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dr. Sing,
>
> I have gone through the blog but didn't have any
> reference for me on
> how to paper train a new puppy with an adult dog at
> home and woudl
> like to ask for your help.
>
> I have a 2 y/o female schnauzer and she is
> well-paper trained to do
> all her business in the balcony designated area (on
> the newspaper and
> a pee-tray). Recently we bought a new puppy (2
> months old) and the new
> addition just can't seems to be able to do her
> business at the same
> area. I have heard from people that ususally the
> younger ones will
> follow the older dog to pee and pooh at the
> designated area, but nnot
> for this new gal. Is there a trick to this?
>
> I have tried to bring her to that area in the
> balcony every hour or 2
> to let her pee and pooh with the command of "go wee
> wee and pooh pooh"
> & also, "hurry up" (as read on books), sometimes she
> do her things
> there but some she don't and just lie there in the
> confined area
> (guess she is not in the mood yet?). So when
> confined for a while and
> nothing happened, i decided to let her out but guess
> what? She pee
> almost after that outside of that area in teh living
> room!!! I am so
> angry with her and punished her with scolding and
> light hitting on her
> bum and also, bring her to the right area, pointed
> and asked her to
> sniff for recognition. Things are still not looking
> up so far. Did i
> do it correctly?
>
> My older Schanuzer is fine with her in the house and
> she still does
> her business in her designated area, no problem with
> her. Only the
> little one. how?
>
> I have also, enclosed her in a play-pen at night to
> sleep and she do
> not do her business in it. Instead she will whin &
> wake me up at about
> 7am and i will bring her to the balcony area again.
> Sometimes she did
> it but sometimes no. I praised her with high pitched
> sound everytime
> she do it correctly.
>
> Any comments on how i can problem solve this
> situation?
>
> The balcony area is lay with newspaper all round and
> also, a metal
> pee-tray(lined with newspaper).
>
> Thanks for your time reading this and i look forward
> to hearing from you soon.
>
> Cheers
> (Name)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: help needed to paper train new puppy with an adult schnauzer
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E-MAIL REPLY FROM DR SING. Monday, April 10, 2006, 3.45 a.m
Reasons for apparent lack of success are:
1. TOO EARLY.
I presume you have had this puppy for around 7 days.
Some puppies get paper-trained within 3 days in the
new house. Some need more time. This is based on her
previous toilet training experience. If the breeder
had trained her on paper, she will be paper-trained
within 3 days after purchase. If she had been crated,
as in all Singapore pet shops selling puppies, she
would not recognise the papers as the toilet area
within 7-14 days. But she would if given training and
time. Some take as long as 30 days because of the lack
of full-time training.
2. MENTAL DEVELOPMENT.
An 8-week-old puppy may need more time to understand
you compared to a 12-week-old puppy. She is less
mature.
3. FULL-TIME TRAINING.
I presume you work. So the puppy did not have
full-time paper training. Full-time means 24-hour
paper training.
4. NO FIXED SCHEDULE TO GO TO THE TOILET AREA
The new puppy needs a fixed schedule to go to the
toilet area. If it is 2-hourly, it should be 2-hourly
at the same time. It cannot be either 1- or 2-hourly
as she does not know whether you want to play with it
or you want her to go to the toilet area.
5. LENGTHY VERBAL CUES
You use the verbal cues of "go wee
wee and pooh pooh" & also, 'hurry up' (as read on
books)". Maybe be better to use a short command e.g.
"pee pee" when you see the signs of sniffing, circling
or squatting. Or when you take the puppy to the toilet
area every 2 hours.
6. PLAYPEN AS DEN.
The puppy considers its playpen as its den. So, it
does not want to dirty the den. That is why she will
whine &
wake you up at about 7am. This is good news as many
puppy owners complain of the puppy stepping on its
stools and urine inside the playpen.
Most likely, on some days, you had distracted her when
you brought her to the toilet area. So, she did not
eliminate sometimes.
7. ELIMINATE IN THE LIVING ROOM.
The puppy smelt her own urine in the living room area
as you did not neutralise the soiled floor. So, she
eliminated there. Use vinegar:water at 1 parts of
vinegar to 2 parts of water, spray onto the soiled
floor and wipe clean the soiled area with tissue
paper.
If you mop, make sure that the mop had been thoroughly
rinsed and not be contaminated with the urine.
8. PUPPY DOES NOT LIKE SOILED AREAS. Did you put in
fresh newspapers in the balcony every time the adult
dog eliminates? It is very likely that your puppy
dislikes going to the "soiled" newspapers of the adult
dog. To her, the toilet area is filthy. To the adult
dog, the toilet area is all right. I presume you did
not replace the newspapers every time. Even if you put
in fresh papers, the papers may not have the puppy's
urine smell to attract the puppy to eliminate.
SUMMARY
Each puppy encounters a different toilet training
problem with its new owner. So, it is hard for me to
give you a guaranteed to be successful advice via
e-mail. Below are points that I think may help the
poor puppy from being spanked and shouted at by you.
1. You are using a modified "crate training" method
in the toilet training of your puppy. The playpen is
the crate. It is now the puppy's den. There is some
success in paper training as the puppy wakes you up to
go to the toilet. For some owners, it is 3 a.m. For
you, 7 a.m seems a reasonable time to wake up unless
you are a night owl.
2. Bring the puppy at fixed hourly or two-hourly
intervals to the toilet area.
3. Give your puppy her own toilet area with her own
urine smell. Get a soiled newspaper with her urine and
place it in her area. Neutralising the area with
vinegar:water first.
4. Use short verbal commands like "pee pee" or "pee
here".
Treats are great motivations for successful toilet
training. Give treats on success. Praise lavishly.
Later on, less treats and more praises.
5. Neutralise areas e.g. in the living room with
puppy's urine smell.
6. There are many anecdotes of the new puppy
following the adult dog in going to the same toilet
area within 3 days. You just don't hear the other side
of the story (your situation) which is more common
according to my survey.
7. It is possible that your puppy does not recognise
or acknowledge the urine smell of the adult dog.
8. Most likely, I suspect that she just does not like
to eliminate in the "soiled" area in the balcony. She does not know
how to communicate to you. So she waited. You waited
and shouted at her to eliminate. When you bring her to
the living area, she just had to eliminate as it is a
clean area or an area with her own urine smell.
If only puppies could talk and owners have a fixed
schedule for the new puppy.
Let me know if you are successful in the next 2 weeks.
E-MAIL TO DR SING. Sunday, April 9, 2006.
--- <...l@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dr. Sing,
>
> I have gone through the blog but didn't have any
> reference for me on
> how to paper train a new puppy with an adult dog at
> home and woudl
> like to ask for your help.
>
> I have a 2 y/o female schnauzer and she is
> well-paper trained to do
> all her business in the balcony designated area (on
> the newspaper and
> a pee-tray). Recently we bought a new puppy (2
> months old) and the new
> addition just can't seems to be able to do her
> business at the same
> area. I have heard from people that ususally the
> younger ones will
> follow the older dog to pee and pooh at the
> designated area, but nnot
> for this new gal. Is there a trick to this?
>
> I have tried to bring her to that area in the
> balcony every hour or 2
> to let her pee and pooh with the command of "go wee
> wee and pooh pooh"
> & also, "hurry up" (as read on books), sometimes she
> do her things
> there but some she don't and just lie there in the
> confined area
> (guess she is not in the mood yet?). So when
> confined for a while and
> nothing happened, i decided to let her out but guess
> what? She pee
> almost after that outside of that area in teh living
> room!!! I am so
> angry with her and punished her with scolding and
> light hitting on her
> bum and also, bring her to the right area, pointed
> and asked her to
> sniff for recognition. Things are still not looking
> up so far. Did i
> do it correctly?
>
> My older Schanuzer is fine with her in the house and
> she still does
> her business in her designated area, no problem with
> her. Only the
> little one. how?
>
> I have also, enclosed her in a play-pen at night to
> sleep and she do
> not do her business in it. Instead she will whin &
> wake me up at about
> 7am and i will bring her to the balcony area again.
> Sometimes she did
> it but sometimes no. I praised her with high pitched
> sound everytime
> she do it correctly.
>
> Any comments on how i can problem solve this
> situation?
>
> The balcony area is lay with newspaper all round and
> also, a metal
> pee-tray(lined with newspaper).
>
> Thanks for your time reading this and i look forward
> to hearing from you soon.
>
> Cheers
> (Name)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:45:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David Sing"
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Subject: Re: help needed to paper train new puppy with an adult schnauzer
To: <...@gmail.com>
E-MAIL REPLY FROM DR SING. Monday, April 10, 2006, 3.45 a.m
Reasons for apparent lack of success are:
1. TOO EARLY.
I presume you have had this puppy for around 7 days.
Some puppies get paper-trained within 3 days in the
new house. Some need more time. This is based on her
previous toilet training experience. If the breeder
had trained her on paper, she will be paper-trained
within 3 days after purchase. If she had been crated,
as in all Singapore pet shops selling puppies, she
would not recognise the papers as the toilet area
within 7-14 days. But she would if given training and
time. Some take as long as 30 days because of the lack
of full-time training.
2. MENTAL DEVELOPMENT.
An 8-week-old puppy may need more time to understand
you compared to a 12-week-old puppy. She is less
mature.
3. FULL-TIME TRAINING.
I presume you work. So the puppy did not have
full-time paper training. Full-time means 24-hour
paper training.
4. NO FIXED SCHEDULE TO GO TO THE TOILET AREA
The new puppy needs a fixed schedule to go to the
toilet area. If it is 2-hourly, it should be 2-hourly
at the same time. It cannot be either 1- or 2-hourly
as she does not know whether you want to play with it
or you want her to go to the toilet area.
5. LENGTHY VERBAL CUES
You use the verbal cues of "go wee
wee and pooh pooh" & also, 'hurry up' (as read on
books)". Maybe be better to use a short command e.g.
"pee pee" when you see the signs of sniffing, circling
or squatting. Or when you take the puppy to the toilet
area every 2 hours.
6. PLAYPEN AS DEN.
The puppy considers its playpen as its den. So, it
does not want to dirty the den. That is why she will
whine &
wake you up at about 7am. This is good news as many
puppy owners complain of the puppy stepping on its
stools and urine inside the playpen.
Most likely, on some days, you had distracted her when
you brought her to the toilet area. So, she did not
eliminate sometimes.
7. ELIMINATE IN THE LIVING ROOM.
The puppy smelt her own urine in the living room area
as you did not neutralise the soiled floor. So, she
eliminated there. Use vinegar:water at 1 parts of
vinegar to 2 parts of water, spray onto the soiled
floor and wipe clean the soiled area with tissue
paper.
If you mop, make sure that the mop had been thoroughly
rinsed and not be contaminated with the urine.
8. PUPPY DOES NOT LIKE SOILED AREAS. Did you put in
fresh newspapers in the balcony every time the adult
dog eliminates? It is very likely that your puppy
dislikes going to the "soiled" newspapers of the adult
dog. To her, the toilet area is filthy. To the adult
dog, the toilet area is all right. I presume you did
not replace the newspapers every time. Even if you put
in fresh papers, the papers may not have the puppy's
urine smell to attract the puppy to eliminate.
SUMMARY
Each puppy encounters a different toilet training
problem with its new owner. So, it is hard for me to
give you a guaranteed to be successful advice via
e-mail. Below are points that I think may help the
poor puppy from being spanked and shouted at by you.
1. You are using a modified "crate training" method
in the toilet training of your puppy. The playpen is
the crate. It is now the puppy's den. There is some
success in paper training as the puppy wakes you up to
go to the toilet. For some owners, it is 3 a.m. For
you, 7 a.m seems a reasonable time to wake up unless
you are a night owl.
2. Bring the puppy at fixed hourly or two-hourly
intervals to the toilet area.
3. Give your puppy her own toilet area with her own
urine smell. Get a soiled newspaper with her urine and
place it in her area. Neutralising the area with
vinegar:water first.
4. Use short verbal commands like "pee pee" or "pee
here".
Treats are great motivations for successful toilet
training. Give treats on success. Praise lavishly.
Later on, less treats and more praises.
5. Neutralise areas e.g. in the living room with
puppy's urine smell.
6. There are many anecdotes of the new puppy
following the adult dog in going to the same toilet
area within 3 days. You just don't hear the other side
of the story (your situation) which is more common
according to my survey.
7. It is possible that your puppy does not recognise
or acknowledge the urine smell of the adult dog.
8. Most likely, I suspect that she just does not like
to eliminate in the "soiled" area in the balcony. She does not know
how to communicate to you. So she waited. You waited
and shouted at her to eliminate. When you bring her to
the living area, she just had to eliminate as it is a
clean area or an area with her own urine smell.
If only puppies could talk and owners have a fixed
schedule for the new puppy.
Let me know if you are successful in the next 2 weeks.
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